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Janice Harayda

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Courtesy request from article subject via VTRS 2024122010000181. The basis of the request is that the subject is not very well known, the sources used in the article are mostly so old as to be inaccurate and/or misleading and the lack of recent sources reinforces that the subject has no lasting nobility. The quality of some of the sources lacks reliability even if the news sources themselves are generally reliable, the specific sources are not and are towards the gossip column end of journalism e.g. [1] Nthep (talk) 16:13, 5 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Comment: I highly disagree with the subject, and reliable sources being old does not make it so that they don't work. There is no requirement for recent sources. Chicago Tribune and York Daily Record show notability alone. This was also a DYK in 2020. As for the pointed to source, I don't like sourced negative content being removed if it is still found to be true - especially removed by the subject. SL93 (talk) 16:53, 5 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]
I don't think there has been any attempt to remove the pointed to source by the subject or anyone else. Nthep (talk) 18:07, 5 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Comment. The fact that the sources are "old" isn't a reason to delete. Moreover, as a widely published author and critic (e.g. books, plus pieces in Glamour, New York Times, Wall Street Journal, Plain Dealter, Harper's Bazaar) who blogs on a "daily or near-daily basis" to over 9,000 followers (here), she doesn't appear to be an inherently private person. There are more than 3,000 hits for her in Newspapers.com, including WP:SIGCOV starting in 1970 and continuing well into the 1990s. See, e.g., here, here, here, here. Cbl62 (talk) 17:10, 5 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]
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Keep – Sufficient SIGCOV is existing even if by old sources. BTSfangir1 (talk) 05:58, 10 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]

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Dimartinia

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Why the page should be deleted

The taxon is not published yet and the reference is still under review process. Formally Dimartinia does not exist yet.Lmalena (talk) 16:56, 5 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]

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Keep - I have already addressed this twice with the deletion nominator. That previous comment is included below:
It is standard practice to create pages for new taxa within the scope of WikiProject Palaeontology, even when the publication is in the "in-press" stage (not to be confused with preprint). The paper is peer-reviewed and has been accepted for publication. It will not undergo any changes in its finalization that will affect the scientific content.
This persistent complaint is starting to verge on absurdity; the taxon is published and the description paper has been peer-reviewed. Lmalena, I'm not sure why you are so intent on having these pages deleted - can you provide a legitimate reason for deletion following Wikipedia's policies? If you haven't yet, I would encourage you to read Elsevier's description of what an in-press/pre-proof publication is, accessible at the top of the source in question. I will also add that, even if the page was deleted, it would inevitably have to be recreated once the properly-formatted PDF is made available later this year. -SlvrHwk (talk) 18:34, 5 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]
It is NOT published. That it is the problem. The article is a preproof which it is still going under the review process (the review process has not end yet, and the journal says so: "are not yet definitive versions of record"). It is not the final version. Both articles came to my knowledge through one of the authors of the scientific paper. The preproof is not even authorized (I know that is a problem with the journal and not with us). Even if it was authorized, the final version of the article is not published yet, the taxa would be published in the future, and they could change. We are making two articles for two taxa names than don't exist formally yet. Lmalena (talk) 19:26, 5 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]
They are millions of valid paleontological names without an article, including the sparassodonts Patene and Arctodictis. Why the need to create taxa articles from preproofs? Lmalena (talk) 19:53, 5 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]

It is not the final version and can still undergo changes. Since last year (at least to my knowledge, it could be previous years), journals are publishing online the first accepted draft under review process as preproofs. These drafts are not the final versions and they can undergo drastic changes. Lmalena (talk) 19:57, 5 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Keep - I understand your concern, but many prehistoric taxa articles in Wikipedia are named even when they're published first in in-press articles (e.g. Yuanyanglong and Archaeocursor for some of the most recent cases), and even if they don't get published officially the articles don't get deleted for that alone (e.g. Ubirajara jubatus); there are also a handful of articles for nomina nuda which are never officially described in journal (e.g. Hadongsuchus). And since you asked about many prehistoric taxa not having an article in spite of their validity, that's obviously because none of the current users attempted yet (and there's a vast amount of prehistoric taxa, so it would take time to make articles for every single one of them anyway). Junsik1223 (talk) 22:20, 5 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Keep Subject of a peer reviewed and published paper. Hemiauchenia (talk) 02:15, 6 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]
- Draftify Per apparent desire of the paper's authors. Hemiauchenia (talk) 17:23, 10 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]
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Keep I suppose there is a minuscule chance that the entire designation will still be scuppered at this late stage, but frankly, I would need to see some specific examples to consider that an actual risk from our point of view. Reputable journal, multiple established scientists, apparently great diagnostic material - this is not going to sink between pre-pub and publication. --Elmidae (talk · contribs) 12:17, 6 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]
~~Keep~~ In addition to points that were already raised, I will note that paleontologists themselves in general do consider early article versions to be subjects to public discussion. Press releases frequently appear after the online publication of the early article versions, the authors of the studies talk about them on social media before the publication of the final version, and they even get cited and discussed in other papers before the publication of the final version (occasionally resulting in cases such as Buffetaut (2011) citing and discussing Naish et al. (2012), obviously referring to the early article version as the final of version of the latter article has a later publication date than the final version of the former one). So the argument for removal of the article is based on stricter criteria regarding what publically available information can and should be discussed than the criteria used by the scientific community itself.
As for the risk of differences between the early version and the final version of the article, thousand of new fossil taxa were named during the past 12 years and I can only remember a single case when a new taxon named in the early version ended up removed from the final version of the article. So the risk does not seem to be significant.--Macrochelys (talk) 16:13, 6 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]
- However, if Lmalena's comment that both articles came to their knowledge through one of the authors is supposed to mean that the authors of the study naming the new taxon discussed are in fact opposed to the Wikipedia article about the taxon being created before the final version of the article is available, then I think moving the article to the draftspace would be justified, as a courtesy to the authors.--Macrochelys (talk) 17:16, 6 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]
If I may ask, what is that “single case”? 49.144.198.58 (talk) 23:04, 6 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]
The early version of this article originally named a new species Ventilago "fujianensis", which ended up not named in the final version.--Macrochelys (talk) 05:41, 7 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]

I think there is an misunderstanding about what means pre-proof here. This is a draft, it is not published and peer reviewed here means that it has been seen by reviewers, not that their concerns has been addressed. If one of them asked for changes in the phylogenetical analysis, the final version can change drastically. The author that called me, is not sure how much it is going to change and does not want these articles. These taxon names are also not valid under the International Code of Zoological Nomenclature, Chapter 5, 21.8.3., until proper publication. Lmalena (talk) 13:51, 7 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]
In that case I don't think we should ignore the author's explicit wish, though I don't see the deletion of the article as necessary to address points raised in this discussion. I support move to the draftspace until the publication of the final version of the study. Possible changes introduced in the final version of the study can then be added to the draft before moving it back to the mainspace.--Macrochelys (talk) 16:03, 7 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]

If one of the authors allegedly don't want this article right now, then I would also agree moving it to the draftspace. But (though I know this is far from the scope of this talk page) does that mean you think every article about prehistoric taxa which are never officially described in peer-reviewed journal (only appearing in pre-proof or thesis) and are currently nomina nuda or considered invalid/unsuable names should all be deleted? (like Hadongsuchus and Ubirajara jubatus for example I mentioned above) Junsik1223 (talk) 17:50, 7 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]
They shouldn't be deleted. I think that, in principle, if there is publically available information about such taxa then creation of articles about them is justified. As I said, move to the draftspace in response to explicit wish of the author would be justified by courtesy to the author, and not by any general ban on articles about such taxa.--Macrochelys (talk) 18:01, 7 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]

I’m sorry, you’re saying the authors of the paper want the articles deleted? How did they communicate to you (email, talk page etc.) Can you provide a link or screenshot to their communication? 2001:4453:52E:6F00:756D:A9D4:5F4C:5208 (talk) 08:33, 8 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]
It is a personal communication. I didn't think that it would so hard to take out articles of not valid taxa. At least, not valid yet. I also support move to the draftspace until the publication of the final version of the study. Lmalena (talk) 12:16, 8 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Personal as in, in-person? Face to face? 2001:4453:592:3C00:C492:1F3A:6D96:E43C (talk) 16:07, 8 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]

I am not necessarily opposed to 'draftifying' the article for now, but we don't currently have any explicit evidence that the author is opposed to the page's current existence. Could that be provided? -SlvrHwk (talk) 17:46, 11 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]

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Looks like the final version of the article naming Dimartinia was published in the meantime, so presumably there is no reason to continue the discussion?--Macrochelys (talk) 20:41, 12 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Marble Hill, Indiana

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From time to time, the eye is caught when researching these things on the maps and on aerial photographs. In this case, on GMaps, it is the post-industrial wasteland just north of this spot that is the ruins of the Marble Hill Nuclear Power Plant, which project was abandoned shy of completion back in 1984 and progressively demolished over the next thirty years (assuming they ever finished, as the article is unclear on that). Marble Hill the town, however, was and is a complete non-entity, a 4th class post office and nothing more, as far as I can tell. Mangoe (talk) 19:12, 12 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]

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2023–24 Ranji Trophy Group A

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Strange to have Group B and Group C and Group D redirected, but not Group A. This one should be redirected too for consistency if we aren't going to have separate articles for Group B and Group C and Group D. Frietjes (talk) 17:34, 12 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]

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Jolyon Jenkins

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WP:DRAFTOBJECT prevents me from returning this to draft unilaterally. I am unsure that would be my preferred action now it is in mainspace. Jenkins is presented as a good but WP:ROTM journalist doing his job. Many, most, of the references are his work, but they are not reviews of him nor his work, thus they provide no verification of any putative notability. WP:V is a key tenet of Wikipedia and is not satisfied. As presented and referenced I cannot see a pass of WP:BIO. A WP:HEY outcome would be acceptable. 🇺🇦 Fiddle^Timtrent Faddle^Talk to me 🇺🇦 17:21, 12 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]

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Emma Ruttkamp-Bloem

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Despite major improvements since it was moved to mainspace I see nothing here to show she passes WP:NPROF in particular nor WP:BIO / WP:GNG more generally. I am unable to return it to draft unilaterally under WP:DRAFTOBJECT. 🇺🇦 Fiddle^Timtrent Faddle^Talk to me 🇺🇦 17:12, 12 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]

DELETE I checked all the criteria for WP:NPROF and I don't see how she meets them. At first glance this seems impressive but when I check her university page, despite being chair of philosophy department in humanities at University of Pretoria, I am not seeing anything like an endowed chair, chief editor of a major journal, any standout prizes or honors, and very few academic papers.--FeralOink (talk) 20:09, 12 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]

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Battle of Hajla Pass

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Another artivle riddles with soruces that only contain trivial metions.

No evidance of notabilty. Slatersteven (talk) 16:43, 12 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]

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Battle of Rezalla (1997)

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Most of the soruces do not seem to be able this battle, so much as one of the participants as such IT is nolt notable. Slatersteven (talk) 16:41, 12 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]

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Surkis ambush

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Really, of the sources that seem to discuss this battle oe is a Google groups site? Slatersteven (talk) 16:38, 12 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]

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Merge into Surkish Definitely seems like a thing for a history section of Surkish rather than a separate article. //Lollipoplollipoplollipop::talk 20:57, 12 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Manuel Aravena

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Declined prod with reason he was Pan american champion. I could not find sources to verify this. Google news comes up with a Chilean politician with the same name. Fails WP:SPORTSCRIT and WP:NOLY. Note he did not finish the sole Olympic event he was in. LibStar (talk) 22:17, 5 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]

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Here's Pan American champion. BeanieFan11 (talk) 23:33, 5 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Also appears here, providing his birth place and name. He's also served as a coach. Bedivere (talk) 01:16, 7 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]

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Resolve Marine

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It doesn't look like this business meets WP:NCORP. I couldn't find much other than passing mentions in local coverage or primary sources. BuySomeApples (talk) 21:13, 29 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]

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It was a major player in the Francis Scott Key Bridge collapse salvage program, and perhaps the largest major private operator. Shall update the article to reflect this. kencf0618 (talk) 10:39, 30 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]

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Keep. Seems to be an abundance of coverage.

And more. Kylemahar902 (talk) 23:17, 5 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]

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Tyriek Igwe

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Non-notable WWE developmental wrestler who made his debut less than two years ago. JTtheOG (talk) 20:51, 29 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]

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Keep.I'm fine with however it goes either way, but for me I think he has held a prominent role these past couple of months on both NXT and Impact due to faction he's formed with Wes Lee. If he shouldn't have an article, more than half the NXT roster shouldn't. He's been featured more on NXT this past 2 months than majority of the roster. Rickyc123 (talk) 22:33, 29 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Delete. Does not meet WP:SPORTSPERSON Kylemahar902 (talk) 01:51, 5 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]

i would argue that being on TV weekly in a key role is notable. NJTANK999 (talk) 06:42, 5 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]

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Dewi Evans

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Dewi Evans may meet notability criteria, but only as the main prosecution expert witness in the Lucy Letby murder case of 2023, and so does not warrant an independent article. That case, and Dr. Evans’ role in it, is currently the source of a great deal of public focus in the United Kingdom. This article was only created six days ago, and is already becoming a focus for people with a given agenda (casting aspersions on Dr Evans’s evidence) which is not part of the mission of an Encyclopaedia. For the time being, Dr. Evans’ contribution to the Lucy Letby case can be encapsulated within the Lucy Letby article and with a redirect from the current article. The material in the current article is either far more detail than is warranted for a retired paediatrician, or cherry-picked controversies. Should Ms. Letby’s conviction be vacated as a result of Dr. Evans’s evidence, there may be grounds for an independent article about him. But I understand there is consensus and precedent from a certain case in 2007 is that tangential witnesses in criminal cases are not notable in and of themselves (I am sorry I do not know the specific case, user:Bearian drew it to my attention).

Seeing as Dr. Evans has not generated enough interest to warrant an article about his life before now, it seems to me that precedent applies here. ElectricRay (talk) 16:20, 12 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Keep - While I agree that being a star witness in one case doesn't make one notable, as an elected fellow of the Royal College of Physicians, he meets WP:NACADEMIC #3. If there are issues with balancing and WP:NEGATIVESPIN, the BLP article should be fixed not deleted. ⁂CountHacker (talk) 18:27, 12 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Comment: Still deciding. On one hand, yes, there's precedent for deleting this sort of article, where the main claim to fame is being a witness, but on the other hand, they might be independently notable. I'm no longer an admin. Bearian (talk) 18:47, 12 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]

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One suggestion from user:Sirfurboy is that the Lucy Letby article be converted to the Lucy Letby case which might allow a section about Dr Evans insofar as it is relevant to that case.ElectricRay (talk) 19:29, 12 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]

@ElectricRay, while I do think there is a case to WP:SPLIT most of the material about his activities during the Lucy Letby case as too much of Dewi Evan's article is focused on the case per WP:PROPORTION. I oppose merging his biography into a potential article on the basis that Dewi Evans is independently notable.⁂CountHacker (talk) 19:40, 12 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Stratellite

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Article about prototype, never-commercialized product of now-defunct company created in 2004 "after reading Slashdot article". Company seems to have been a mix of "startup business venture" and "scheme to defraud investors". What things a Web search turns up appear to be either regurgitation of press releases from the company, or stuff copied from this WP article. No news mentions post-2000s. Fails WP:V, WP:NOTABILITY. Slowking Man (talk) 16:10, 12 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]

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NEWP

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Fails WP: GNG. I could not find sufficient sourcing to establish notability. This was dePRODed without sourcing improvements. If voting Keep, please show how the subject meets WP: GNG -- do not use buzzwords like "influential" and "significant" without giving sources to back up your claims. HyperAccelerated (talk) 16:03, 12 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]

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DarkwebSTREAMER

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A year on from the last AfD and this game has still not been released. No one can play it and consequently every review of the game fails on the independence criterion. This is a software WP:NPRODUCT and Wikipedia is advertising unreleased software. WP:SIRS pertains and early access reviews cannot be independent. Sirfurboy🏄 (talk) 15:57, 12 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]

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Keep GNG is clearly passed. Notability does not hinge on whether a game has been released; because Wikipedia is not an advertising tool, but a recorder of facts, and unreleased games can still have things about them. ᴢxᴄᴠʙɴᴍ (ᴛ) 20:42, 12 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Keep - plenty of third party sourcing discussing it in detail already in the article. Meets the WP:GNG. Sergecross73 msg me 21:09, 12 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Tim J. Sullivan

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There are no meaningful sources in the article, nor have I been able to find anything to support a claim of notability in a Google search. He wrote a book Battle On The Hudson, but I don't see anything showing that the book gained him notability as an author. He's also poorly linked within Wikipedia, and the only other place where he's listed at List of Duquesne University people, there is a rather weak source to an author profile at an article he wrote for the New York Post.

Basically, there's nothing here. Alansohn (talk) 15:52, 12 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]

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Arthur D. Yaghjian

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Nominating for deletion on behalf of the article subject per WP:BLPREQUESTDELETE and WP:GNG. The article subject believes he is a nonnotable person who should not have an article on Wikipedia. See VRTS ticket # 2025012410006294. Geoff | ^{Who, me?} 14:37, 5 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Delete coverage appears limited to scientific publications. We should honor the wishes of the subject in this case. ⇌ Jake Wartenberg 15:13, 5 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]
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Delete as per nom. Tagging Myxomatosis57. Bearian (talk) 23:57, 6 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Comment. Seems a pretty clear pass of WP:PROF to me and the article looks uncontroversial. Is there a particular reason given for the subject to request deletion? Espresso Addict (talk) 11:42, 9 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]
I agree with @Espresso Addict, his awards are a clear pass of WP:NPROF#C3 and his citations pass #C1 since he is sole author on many. Ldm1954 (talk) 14:18, 10 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]

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109th Signals Squadron

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The article does not contain any references from media organisations and only one reference is independent from the subject of the article. The unit the article is about does not appear to be notable. PercyPigUK (talk) 12:39, 12 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]

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Linguistic boundary of Moselle

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A basic Google search gives no sources other than Wikipedia mirrors. Some books can be found, but they only seem to give passing mentions, and seem to mostly cover the larger French-German linguistic boundary. Would not be opposed to an expansion of the scope of this article to encompass such. 🐔 Chicdat ^{Bawk to me!} 12:36, 12 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]

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Keep: The correspondingh article in French at https://fr.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fronti%C3%A8re_linguistique_mosellane has lots of references. Eastmain (talk • contribs) 13:43, 12 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Keep: The FR wiki has many links to books that aren't online, I'm assuming they exist in a library somewhere. It's too many to be BS, I'd give this a !keep simply based on the numerous sources in the FR article. Oaktree b (talk) 15:24, 12 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Userfy, assuming someone wants to take responsibility for the article. This article as written doesn't have enough content to be understandable. As the corresponding article in French does have such content, I assume that this article can be improved, but at this point there's not enough here to keep. (Also, it's not like this is a new article in progress; it was started in 2012 and had not been edited for over a year before this AfD.) --Metropolitan90 (talk) 19:30, 12 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Signe Førre

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Fails WP:MUSICBIO. - UtherSRG (talk) 12:31, 12 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]

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Comment: accepting the draft was an error of judgement, the article would have benefitted from being developed there. Notability is a bit thin, but at least she did release her debut album since the last deletion discussion (which I started). Located within the article are three reviews or pieces about that album. Geschichte (talk) 14:14, 12 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]
So... would you say "Draftify as an WP:ATD"? - UtherSRG (talk) 18:39, 12 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]
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Battle of Qafë Prush

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THis was a minor skirmsih. Slatersteven (talk) 11:21, 12 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]

there are ALOT of minor skirmish and this is more some sort of Attack on KLA fighters killing one of the notable generals and wounding two others Unknown General17 (talk) 11:41, 12 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Yes, that is the point, there are lots of minor skirmishes, in all wars. We do not generally have articles on them. Slatersteven (talk) 12:21, 12 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]

There are alot small ambushes that are kept which didn't do anything in war Unknown General17 (talk) 12:28, 12 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]

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Comment It being a minor skirmish isn't a reason in itself for deletion. A, few, other, examples. What matters is notability. //Lollipoplollipoplollipop::talk 12:56, 12 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]

But this does not seem to pass wp:n. Slatersteven (talk) 13:04, 12 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]

5 sources. 4 of which look to be reprints. Slatersteven (talk) 15:00, 12 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]

If i add like 1-2 new sources will you remove the thing for deletion? Unknown General17 (talk) 18:00, 12 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]

That would all depends on on the quality of the sources and the coverage. Slatersteven (talk) 18:03, 12 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Added 2 new sources, one Albanian and other is from Kosovo site on Serbian language Unknown General17 (talk) 21:26, 12 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Keep sources show the battle being a topic that is covered.. it is also notable because it is where KLA fighter Luan Haradinaj was killed. There are many articles about the war in same style that were created which are not maybe major but which are listed as KLA or Albanian victory like Anadrinë offensive, Surkis ambush. Battle of Rezalla (1997), Battle of Jezerc, Battle of Hajla Pass, etc. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 24.114.55.28 (talk) 16:35, 12 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Gautier Cole Killian

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not the subject substantial independent coverage Eddie891 ^Talk _Work 11:04, 12 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]

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Comment: Can't you simply redirect it back? RodRabelo7 (talk) 11:09, 12 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Yes, that is a possible outcome of an AfD discussion, one that I would be fine with in this instance. Eddie891 ^Talk _Work 11:18, 12 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]

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Valerie Alexander

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Many of the sources are written by the subject. Other sources are links to her Ted Talk or "Best of" lists that include movies for which she was screenwriter. What remains does not seem to pass WP:GNG or WP:AUTHOR. Truthnope (talk) 09:32, 12 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]

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Comment: Other sources are links to her Ted Talk or "Best of" lists that include movies for which she was screenwriter. Doesn’t this meet the criteria for filmmakers § 3? Best, Reading Beans, Duke of Rivia 09:41, 12 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]
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Manchester City F.C. 0–4 Tottenham Hotspur F.C.

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Routine sports fixture, no evidence of lasting notability. Both teams are having inconsistent seasons, so whilst result might be a surprise, there has been no ongoing coverage about the match. Man City were on a run of 4 consecutive league defeats, and 6 out of 8, so any individual defeat is not particularly notable. Spike 'em (talk) 09:05, 12 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]

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Delete Agree with nominator. It's also too soon to know if there will be sustained lasting coverage of this match which would make it notable. It's not the first time Tottenham have beaten Man City 4–0 either. Stevie fae Scotland (talk) 10:23, 12 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]
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Delete Yes, of course it has sources. But so do the other 379 Premier League games that happen every season, and for that matter the other 1,656 fully professional English league games as well. You could probably write a well-sourced article on all 2,000+ of them - every year. However, we have very few articles on individual league games, and most of those are games where some sort of record was set, or they have an unusual and lasting amount of sourcing (i.e. Battle of the Buffet). This one meets none of those criteria. Black Kite (talk) 11:28, 12 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]
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Delete - Absolutely no indication that this match is any more notable than most others. – Pee Jay 14:05, 12 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Delete, not historical. Matchcruft. Geschichte (talk) 15:42, 12 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Delete - Sources are purely WP:ROUTINE coverage. Wburrow (talk) 15:54, 12 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Delete. Run of the mill Premier League game with only routine coverage. Frank Anchor 17:04, 12 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Delete I posted about this on WT:Football and it looks like a snow delete already. Nothing wrong with discussing this on season pages. But we don't need to do individual match articles like this, wikipedia would be overwhelmed if we did. Govvy (talk) 17:51, 12 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Delete no more notable than other games. Brief summaries of the article could appear in the respective clubs' season articles. Valenciano (talk) 17:56, 12 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]
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Delete - no evidence of notability. If sources are found which show significant coverage please ping me. Giant Snowman 18:31, 12 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Delete - not notable. Seasider53 (talk) 19:02, 12 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]

2010 Tarco Air Antonov An-24 crash

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Per WP:NOTNEWS and WP:EVENTCRIT. Per WP:GNG, "sources should be secondary sources, as those provide the most objective evidence of notability". From what I've been able to find, none of the sources were secondary in nature since none of them contained analysis, evaluation, interpretation, or synthesis of the event itself. The event does not have significant, in-depth, nor sustained continued coverage of the event itself other than, "After touching down, the plane crashed with X casualties", with coverage only briefly occurring in the aftermath of the accident. WP:EVENTCRIT#4 states that routine kinds of news events including most accidents – whether or not tragic or widely reported at the time – are usually not notable unless something further gives them additional enduring significance, which this event lacks. Aviationwikiflight (talk) 15:46, 20 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]

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Keep A scheduled passenger flight which ended in fatalities and safety recommendations. The requirement for sourcing here is difficult because this occurred in a very remote part of the world - deleting this would further WP:BIAS. SportingFlyer T·C 18:06, 20 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]
I'd also note that the article is currently adequately sourced. SportingFlyer T·C 18:16, 20 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]
None of this is based on policies or guidelines. There is no such policy that states that an event is solely notable if it was "A scheduled passenger flight which ended in fatalities and [resulted in] safety recommendations". WP:BIAS does not state that we should ignore notability guidelines simply because it happened in a country where coverage is limited. I've seen better articles than this get deleted and the mere fact that the article is well referenced does not make it all the more notable. Aviationwikiflight (talk) 10:58, 21 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]
You're applying our rules too strictly. All of the sources in the article are American, but this happened in Sudan and the Sudanese performed the investigation. Furthermore it is fairly obvious that a regularly scheduled passenger plane service which ended in fatalities is likely notable - heck, multiple American sources picked it up even though it occurred in rural Sudan. The only possible reason to delete at this time is that there isn't demonstrated lasting coverage in English-language sources... SportingFlyer T·C 20:22, 21 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]
So? You have yet to actually mention a policy or guideline to support keeping the article. An investigation was performed after a plane crash - That is routine. The news covered the accident without any further coverage - WP:NOTNEWS/WP:EVENTCRIT#4. It's been more than a decade since the plane crashed and there clearly is zero continued coverage. If your only argument for keeping is the aforementioned, then clearly one could create hundreds of articles on non-notable passenger flights on the sole basis that they received coverage for less than a week and had a final report published. Aviationwikiflight (talk) 05:28, 22 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Of course I've cited policy - the article as written meets WP:GNG as it was a plane crash on a commercially scheduled flight which resulted in fatalities, which received international coverage. The only reason to delete this is if WP:NOT applies, and I don't think it does - the nature of the event and the location of the event means follow-up coverage is likely to be local and in a language other than English, and the nature of this specific crash means that deleting it would further implicit WP:BIAS by excluding plane crashes from parts of the world where finding coverage is difficult, even if the crash which would otherwise be notable. Your other argument is wrong as well - this is very different from a general aviation crash in the United States, so keeping this wouldn't open any floodgates. SportingFlyer T·C 06:37, 22 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Existence is not notability so the fact that a plane crashed, wherever in the world, is not proof of notability unless the sources demonstrate so. Your comment only precised "scheduled passenger flight" which basically applies to any type of aircraft that provides that service. Sudan is a country that speaks english and arabic, so that already makes it easier to search for sources, and the mere statement that there could be sources does not establish notability unless you actually give sources that provide significant and in-depth coverage after the initial aftermath of the plane crash instead of saying that "finding coverage is difficult". It doesn't matter whether or not a deletion would further implicit bias. So instead of citing WP:BIAS, which does not trump notability guidelines, please provide us with these notability-establishing source. Aviationwikiflight (talk) 11:49, 22 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]
The article has already established notability with the sources in the article, we're just discussing WP:NOT. I disagree with you strongly here, and arguing further won't change anything. SportingFlyer T·C 16:07, 22 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Keep – I agree with SportingFlyer. ThisGuy (talk • contributions) 18:15, 20 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Keep – meets WP:GNG for me. C 679 10:33, 27 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]

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Keep - Meets notability based on existing sourcing, as spelled out by SportingFlyer in detail above. nf utvol (talk) 19:41, 27 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Delete no idea what everyone else here saw but the sourcing present is not adequate to pass WP:NEVENT, it is neither lasting nor in depth nor anything we look for. A remote part of the world does not preclude the non-existence of secondary sourcing. GNG is not passed because all sources are primary. There is not a single secondary source in this article! PARAKANYAA (talk) 11:03, 28 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]

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Redirect to either Tarco Aviation or List of accidents and incidents involving the Antonov An-24. Both articles have information about this crash. All refs in this article are from the time of the accident (although the first, the Aviation Herald, was updated to include info from the final report). I have found no further coverage. This incident does not meet either WP:GNG or WP:EVENT, but a redirect may be a good WP:ATD. RebeccaGreen (talk) 09:50, 12 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Keep. Reference 1 is a comprehensive, contextualising, reliable independent secondary source. References 2-4 establish worldwide interest. The expectation for sustained coverage is suitable for nebulous events, not really for a well defined isolated plane crash where by the release of the final report, everything that can be known is known. All commercial passenger plane crashes that result in deaths and destruction of the plane should be considered notable. SmokeyJoe (talk) 10:08, 12 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Why should it be? Not every incident that kills people is notable, like every single act of mass murder is not notable. Not trying to be rude, but IMO that comes off like a slippery slope. If we can just assert that anything that doesn't meet the guidelines should be notable, then why are we here? PARAKANYAA (talk) 19:27, 12 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Merge with List of accidents and incidents involving the Antonov An-24. While I'm mindful of WP:BIAS, I have to agree with Aviationwikiflight's assessment of the article as WP:EVENTCRIT. This accident, though unfortunate, does not seem to have enough enduring historical significance to warrant a standalone article.--DesiMoore (talk) 15:31, 12 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Keep The sourcing in the article is comprehensive and has a worldwide scope. Meets the expectations of WP:GNG. --Enos733 (talk) 15:58, 12 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Redirect. Fails NEVENT. While I'm a big AV Herald fan, it is still a blog that largely just repeats official, primary reports without providing any actual analysis or wider context, especially for final updates. It's not evidence of sustained coverage, which is still very lacking. I'll note that NEVENT is what we have to meet here for notability, not just GNG, as NEVENT includes protections against NOTNEWS. JoelleJay (talk) 20:35, 12 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Bruno Rodrigues (footballer, born 1996)

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Playing 110 minutes in the highest Finnish league, 264 minutes in the second Finnish league and 0 minutes in the Portuguese second league is an extremely weak claim to notability. In other words the footballer thoroughly fails WP:SPORTCRIT, unless he can be shoehorned in with strong, significant independent coverage. Now, Rodrigues is mainly known for scoring goals on the fourth Finnish tier. This is an amateur league for mailmen and schoolteachers, and in my opinion, it follows that the coverage on his exploits in that league (Palloliitto, found in the Finnish Wikipedia) is insignificant in nature. The subject therefore fails WP:GNG as well. Coverage like this is paywalled, but looks short. But you be the judge. Geschichte (talk) 08:35, 12 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Delete: Subject clearly fails both GNG and SNG, I cant seem to find any important source stating the subjects notability. Cameremote (talk) I came from a remote place 10:58, 12 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]
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Smart Money Concepts

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Doesn't meet notability guidelines. Cited sources are either non-RS or don't mention the subject. Vgbyp (talk) 08:27, 12 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]

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Delete: Appears to be PROMO for the "Concepts"; I can only find blogs/trading websites that don't appear RS. The only source which Cite Hilighter has listed is #1 and marginal regardless. Delete for lack of sourcing. Oaktree b (talk) 15:27, 12 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Khaled Al-Qahtani

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The subject fails GNG and NSPORT for not having SIGCOV from IS and RS whereby the sources talk about the subject in depth and length for verification. Announcements of competitions and results are considered routine sports reports and can not be used to contribute to notability guidelines requirements. Cassiopeia talk 08:25, 12 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]

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Comment. With not 1 but 32 international caps, and being a triple league and triple cup champion, he looks notable. An Arabic WP:BEFORE is needed. Geschichte (talk) 08:49, 12 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Ilia Stambler

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Highly promotional article whose references are almost all primary--the subject's resume, their publications, or the longevity websites they seem to be running. Two books, that's promising in terms of WP:PROF, but they are self-published and really not a in a good way: see this one. Instead of references or reviews, then, we have spam links, and maybe one independent reference--but this is pretty lousy, in a publication that doesn't inspire much confidence. In addition, the article was created by a now-blocked sock (blocked by Spicy but I can't tell if G5 applies. Drmies (talk) 16:06, 28 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]

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Weak delete. He doesn't appear to pass WP:PROF, and the books would only count towards WP:AUTHOR if they had multiple published reviews. I think the Wired article may be WP:SIGCOV counting towards WP:GNG but it's the only one and it's only one. —David Eppstein (talk) 21:03, 2 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Keep his books and publications are quite notable. Thus pass WP:AUTHOR. 102.91.93.141 (talk) 10:41, 4 February 2025 (UTC) Duplicate vote from near-identical IP struck. Left the one below. -- asilvering (talk) 02:07, 12 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]

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Weak keep. Though notability of the person is really under question, it is rather "yes" than "no". I added several references to the article. There are other short mentiones of the person in press in various languages. — Lady3mlnm (talk) 11:08, 4 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]

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Delete Seems to very quickly drop into using profiles to support it, particularly on the new references. I would have expected to see a lot more in that first block of references, but quickly becomes very poor. I had a look for the books to see if they had a WP:NAUTHOR pass. The current refs are non-rs and there is not much there. I found one link for 'A History of Life-Extensionism in the Twentieth Century' but is mostly blurb and not a real review so no multiple published reviews. The single Wired article insufficient for blp. When compared to other academics of a similar field, he is non-notable. scope_creep^Talk 06:25, 10 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Keep [2], [3], [4], [5] and [6] are enough to establish notability. 102.91.92.159 (talk) 10:25, 11 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]

The first and third of those are plainly non-independent. The second is the Wired article mentioned by scope_creep above. The fourth does not contain significant coverage (it's one sentence, mostly not about Stambler). These sources do not help show GNG or WP:NAUTHOR. -- asilvering (talk) 02:05, 12 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Keep: I lean keep. Per Google Scholar [7] he has published multiple things with varying amounts of citations. He has a chapter in a book published by a scholarly press [8]. He's referenced in a book about Transhumanism as well [9] and cited in this Encyclopedia of Biopmedical Gerontology by Elsevier [10] and his work is briefly discussed in this book from the University of California press [11], also this news article [12]. To my understanding, Times of Israel was declared generally reliable here Wikipedia:Reliable_sources/Noticeboard/Archive_461#RfC:_Times_of_Israel, and this article by them describes Stambler and some of his work noting him at the time as "the director of Research and Development at Shmuel Harofe Geriatric Medical Center in Beer Yaakov"[13]. Per its own description, Shmuel Harofe is a government hospital affiliated with the Tel Aviv University Sackler Medical School. If the article is promotional, it should be re-written, but I don't think deletion is appropriate here. Emm90 (talk) 03:33, 12 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]

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Delete. Just not seeing enough to meet NPROF or GNG here. Other than the Wired article, which has borderline coverage at most, the sources listed above are typical citations, non-independent, passing mentions, or quotes from him. JoelleJay (talk) 21:12, 12 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Ozerk Ozan

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Marked for notability concerns 2 years ago. A mere 3 google news hits. Fails WP:BIO. A lot of the article is on his personal views but I fail to see how this adds to notability. LibStar (talk) 08:20, 12 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]

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Treaty of Nice (1892)

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Only source is a dead link, never archived. I can't find any mentions of an 1892 secret treaty between France and Italy anywhere else on the web, only Wikipedia mirrors. I can't confidently say it must not be a real thing. The idea of a secret treaty existing is not outside the realms of possibility - Italy was an unenthusasitc member of the Triple Alliance - but the closest I can find to any mention of it on the web is commercial agreements and general reapproachment in this thesis.^[1] If there are any French or Italian speakers who can validate whether this article is real or not, please do. //Lollipoplollipoplollipop::talk 14:55, 5 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]

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References

^ Rhodes, Nancy Anne Nickerson (1972). "Franco-Italian relations from the Triple Alliance of 1882 to the Franco-Italian commercial agreement of 1898". {{cite journal}}: Cite journal requires |journal= (help)

I have temporarily restored the old history to draw everyone's attention to Special:Diff/137478661. We have had an article sourced to a game, played amongst a post-graduate and xyr friends, for 17 years. The post-graduate left the university in 2005, well before this article was first written, in fact. Uncle G (talk) 18:30, 5 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]
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delete ~~as a (possibly accidental) hoax.~~ Wayback did capture the the page for the game, and it's quite clear we aren't dealing with the real world here. Mangoe (talk) 13:45, 12 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Actually this could be speedied as the original author put up the deletion notice immediately after creating the article; it was recreated by someone clueless who didn't catch on that the author (who was blocked long ago for socking and before that multiple times for edit-warring) was trying to make a point. Mangoe (talk) 13:58, 12 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks for digging Mangoe, you can see the treaty here. Definitely confirmed to be fictional. //Lollipoplollipoplollipop::talk 14:18, 12 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Speedy delete G3. Mccapra (talk) 14:10, 12 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]

The Nervous Fellas

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Article created more than a decade ago, when inclusion criteria were almost non-existent, by a couple of kamikaze accounts. Searching for significant, third-party sources that could support the subject's notability turns up a desert portrait. To wit: Self-generated content, on Facebook, such as this or this, and as websites, e.g. this, multiple times; a few dead links, e.g. here or here; and so on. Only one legitimate hit, albeit obscure and small, was this 1990 review of one of their LPs. An admirable attempt perhaps, that lived a rather long life too, to make the act better known but Wikipedia is not a directory of musical acts nor a collection of random information. -The Gnome (talk) 12:04, 5 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]

On the contrary: I had written User:Uncle G/On notability the year before this article was created, and even that was preceded by a whole debate on how inclusion criteria should work. The thing that we didn't have in 2007 that we have now is the much stronger AFC and Draft processes (although AFC existed from 2005) and the push back no-indication-of-notability tools at New Pages patrol for people, musical groups, and companies. Uncle G (talk) 13:19, 5 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks for bringing the essay to my attention. Going by AfD history and the facts, I have to say that your suggestions did not take much hold, unfortunately. Let's hope for a better-than-never denouement. Take care. -The Gnome (talk) 18:57, 6 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]

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Delete: This is the only link that pops up [14], but it's blocked by the firewall here at the office. I'm not impressed with the rest of the sourcing, appears to be concert listings and the like. They have mentions of articles, but no links, I can't verify them. Was likely PROMO at one point. Oaktree b (talk) 15:30, 12 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Gopikamma

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Promotional fluff for actress Pooja Hegde started by blocked sock. Krimuk2.0 (talk) 07:01, 12 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Comment. The reliability of the sources should be discussed. If something here is reliable, a merge, or a redirect, to Pooja Hegde is a possiibility. I am neutral. Geschichte (talk) 08:54, 12 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Sources are YouTube videos of the song itself or ones that fail the reliability criteria of WP:ICTFSOURCES. Krimuk2.0 (talk) 08:58, 12 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]

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4.5 mm

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Might be an unnecessary disambiguation page if "Sigma 4.5mm" is not commonly referred to as 4.5mm DoctorWhoFan91 (talk) 06:57, 5 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]

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Delete: agree, unnecessary. Just use a hat note. -- P 1 9 9 ✉ 14:45, 5 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Keep. If the disambiguation page is deleted, then the redirect pages should be deleted as well. "4.5mm" can refer to anything of that size. In photography, prime lenses are colloquially referred to by their focal lengths. For example "Use the 4.5mm." is an elision for "Use the 4.5mm lens." The same occurs in ballistics as well. For example "Use the 4.5mm." is an elision for "Use the 4.5mm caliber.". This is confusing and specific enough I think to warrant a disambiguation page since these are very different contexts (shooting a gun versus shooting with a camera lens). Nicole Sharp (talk) 22:34, 5 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Being a part of Wikipedia, a disambiguation page has to guide the reader to actual uses of 4.5 mm in Wikipedia, not any thinkable use of the term. Your second suggestion below seems far-fetched. Geschichte (talk) 08:57, 12 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]
~~Otherwise merge with a new disambiguation page for "5mm" to refer to anything between 4.5 mm and 5.4 mm in size. Nicole Sharp (talk) 22:34, 5 February 2025 (UTC)~~[reply]
Delete and also delete incoming redirect 4.5mm. The lens is not known solely as "4.5 mm". Shhhnotsoloud (talk) 14:15, 8 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]

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Delete slap a hatnote on .177 caliber and that's it. Warm Regards, Miminity (Talk?) (me contribs) 11:51, 12 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Ildar Valeyev

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fails WP:GNG; I did some searching and was not able to find significant coverage in any reliable source Joeykai (talk) 06:07, 12 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]

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Delete: Having only played two top-flight games, and with participation standards in NSPORTS deprecated, this would stand and fall on the GNG. With that, I could only find namedrops in routine match coverage. Ravenswing 07:05, 12 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]
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Kompleks Karamunsing

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The 2 sources are 1 line mentions. A search in google news found routine coverage like a fire or a covid case. Fails GNG. LibStar (talk) 05:26, 12 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]

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Stoutsburg, Indiana

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Let's start with one big error: the current nature preserve did not replace the "town"; it's southeast of what is supposed to have been the town site, as is clear as soon as you look at GMaps. OTOH I can't find any evidence for this as anything but a rail station. The little that was on the road by the tracks disappeared when the subdivision went in south of it, and there was never anything on the north side. All the documentation I find relates to the station/post office, regardless of the spelling. Mangoe (talk) 04:39, 5 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]

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Baker says that George W. Stout founded a "village". Hamilton's and Darroch's A standard history of Jasper and Newton counties, Indiana on p.74 gives the other spelling, Stoutsberg, as station on the Three I's Railroad (the erstwhile Indiana, Illinois & Iowa Railroad Company) between Wheatfield and DeMotte. Graydon M. Meints's Indiana Railroad Lines has Stoutsburg on the LS-WK (c.f. Forest City, Indiana (AfD discussion)) and that's the station name in the 1899 A.B.C. Pathfinder Shipping and Mailing Guide. It's still listed in Bullinger's 1962 Postal and Shippers Guide for the United States and Canada and Newfoundland. Only Baker says village, but I have sources for post-office and railway station going into the middle 20th century.
The preserve, per the 1995 Directory of Indiana's Dedicated Nature Preserves published by the Indiana Department of Natural Resources, is Stoutsberg Savanna.
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I am hoping that other people will have opinions, now that they know what the subject even is. I'm not sure how I would myself write about this. The savannah has a description in a Nature Conservancy publication that isn't quite hefty enough to stand alone, but per sources could be in a larger subject of nature conservancy in Indiana or some such; but conversely, taken alone I'd write about the railway station in an article on the railroad (or, better, what the cited source says the Three I's railroad was subsumed into) since that seems to be how every source discusses it and how the world knows the subject.
I haven't found a source connecting the two and I suspect that Baker's village is a fantasy that conflates the George W. Stout, merchant of Indianapolis who has a historic building there, with the George W. Stout cobbler that was a lifelong postmaster in Hamilton, neither of whom connect to Jasper.
Let's just say that I cannot prove that this article is not synthesizing a load of disconnected things that have roughly similar names, because what Baker asserts turns out to have no corroboration and a hefty indication from the history books's accounts of the two George W. Stouts that it isn't true.
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Delete We're putting too much thought into this. Based on evidence already cited, this was a rail station inflated into a "village" so that someone could have a comprehensive book. Delete and while we're at it I think we should delete all statements (if not all articles) sourced to Baker, as he's clearly not reliable. WeirdNAnnoyed (talk) 12:00, 12 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Pleasant Ridge, Jasper County, Indiana

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So here we hit yet another conundrum in Jasper County, which seems to have more than its share, mostly due to Mr. Gifford of railroad fame. And this is plainly a point on a railroad (though not on his), as I find a tax assessment for the depot. The problem is that leaving out a soil series name use, everything is either using this to locate various properties/people, or records a series of industrial/agricultural facilities at the spot, of which there are three at present: a trailer manufacturer which occupies the westernmost and oldest spot, an ag co-op which may be the descendant of the oldest documented business, and a bio-energy plant which is a relative newcomer. The irregular lake to the north is the remains of the fourth business, a quarry which was apparently opened up around 1960. Both the co-op and the quarry have secondary documentation; interestingly, I also found this ad for a property sale, a tile factory which clearly wasn't here, but the agent of the seller apparently was. Or at least, he picked up his mail there. But once again, there's no sign anyone ever lived here. There was what looks from the air like a farmstead directly at the RR crossing in 1957, but it disappears after that; another disappears into the quarry property. Otherwise it's all farm fields surrounding the industry. Can anyone find something that actually describes the place? Mangoe (talk) 04:09, 5 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]

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As with Surrey, Indiana (AfD discussion) we're still on page 74 of the cited county history, and the same sources for Surrey station that I have cited in that AFD discussion have Pleasant Ridge station on Monon Railroad#Section #1, between Rensselaer and McCoysburg. Comtemporary Lippincott's from the 1880s and Bullinger's 1961 Postal and Shippers Guide for the United States and Canada and Newfoundland have this as a post office as well. The 1880 Lippincott's also adds "on the Indianapolis, Delphi & Chicago Railroad, 4 miles E. of Rensselaer". Uncle G (talk) 13:01, 5 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]

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Val Valentino

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Merge with Breaking the Magician's Code: Magic's Biggest Secrets Finally Revealed the article in it's current state does not appear to be notable enough for a separate article. A majority of the article about Valentino's role as the Masked Magician on the TV show. This issue was raised at a recent RM. Dr vulpes (Talk) 23:44, 28 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]

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Merge to Breaking the Magician's Code: Magic's Biggest Secrets Finally Revealed. 162 etc. (talk) 02:45, 29 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]
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Keep – The subject was highly notable in Brazil at the end of the 90s/beginning of the 2000s, and to this day has had some repercussions in the mainstream media (especially on Rede Globo). [15], [16], [17], [18]. Svartner (talk) 14:56, 29 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]
These articles talk about his health problems (which are not encyclopedically notable) and his 90s TV show (which already has an article.) 162 etc. (talk) 18:18, 29 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]
There are several other things about him, like this article from 1999 [19], or about the return of his show on pay TV channels. [20], [21]. Maybe he hasn't been as successful outside of Brazil, but there's definitely WP:SIGCOV here. Svartner (talk) 05:59, 30 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]

How do we feel about merging this article with Breaking the Magician's Code: Magic's Biggest Secrets Finally Revealed? Dr vulpes (Talk) 06:14, 30 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Keep Do we really need the space? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 240F:CA:2CE5:1:9430:B51E:9FD9:F2BF (talk) 04:28, 4 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]

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Estonia–Serbia relations

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This was a redirect that was reverted. I could not find coverage in third party sources covering these relations. They don't even have resident embassies. Fails GNG. LibStar (talk) 04:46, 29 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]

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Keep - This article is expanded in Serbian version so with a bit of expansion on English side, it will provide more information about relations between these countries. ✨Боки✨ 💬 📝 07:51, 4 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]

2 of the sources in the Serbian article are primary government sources. The other 2 are from a database. Still fails GNG. LibStar (talk) 08:34, 4 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]

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Armenian atrocities

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Why the page should be deleted

Creating the deletion discussion for Armenian Atrocities page. The page sources notorious Armenian genocide denials, such as Justin McCarthy and Guenter Lewy, cites Atatürk as a factual evidence, and uses almost exclusively Turkish scholars, all of which violates WP:RS. Moreover, through the article author also tries to push an agenda and engages in WP:SOAP and often writes his opinion WP:NOTOPINION. The article is also far from NPOV and violates WP:NPOV.

For example,in the background section of the article, he describes the life of Armenians under ottomans overtly positively, without a single negative example. The line "When Seljuk Turks conquered Anatolia in 11th century, they gave autonomy to Armenians, allowing them to live in a tolerant and just manner." looks like an opinion and "Armenians were ruled under the millet system. This provided them with cultural and political privileges." lacks context and sourcing. Which priveleges exactly?

Afterwards, in "Armenian National Movement" an article pushes an agenda that an "Armenian question" emerged during the Treaty of St Stephano, implying, that it wasn't a case before, without providing any sources on the claim. Afterwards, it also gives an opinion on why the Armenian question emerged, like "However, the real concern of the Russian government was not the wellbeing of the Armenians. Russian Empire, looked after its own interests through the Panslavism policy and wanted the strengthen its hegemony in the Near East.".

The section on Massacres uses almost exclusively primarily non-neutral sources. The introduction onto this section quotes Kamuran Gürün "Their plan was to provoke Muslims by organizing terrorist attacks and have them massacre Armenians. Thereupon, they expected the European powers to intervene and liberate Armenia.", which is an opinion from his book "The Armenian File", which is notable for its denial of Armenian genocide. To the right of it, he puts a quote of Anastas Mikoyan, a bolshevik, who directly opposed the creation of independent Armenia and was motivated by it, we can't rely on him.

On Kars and Ardahan he states the opinion of the MFA of Qajar Iran, which fought against Russia in WWI. On Van, he uses hostile language like "terrible" and "gangs", citing Justin McCarthy as a source, who is an Armenian genocide denier, and is not neutral, and on Erzurum he cities Şevket Süreyya Aydemir, who is described as "National Communist". On Marash, the author quotes Atatürk, who is also far from neutral on this matter

I think it is enough for now, but I would gladly comment on other flaws in it I've found, if this is not enough for the deletion. I think that the article Persecution of Muslims during the Ottoman contraction encompasses the topic covered in the article without a clear agenda or problems with neutrality, so I don't think there is a need for a specialized article regarding the crimes of Armenians. Athoremmes (talk) 03:25, 5 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]

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Zhou Zhiruo

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Not sure this meets the notability guideline for fictional elements. The entire article is basically a plot summary. I am unsure of the reliability of the sole reference (preserved by archive here), but it looks more like a fansite than a book to be honest, even if it does claim to be published by a press. Obviously the vast majority of reference material on this topic is probably in Chinese. A quick look when searching the character's name in Chinese didn't bring up anything substantial (mostly press releases and blog posts). Looking on google books in Chinese didn't bring up anything substantial either, only the works themselves or plot summaries. Hemiauchenia (talk) 02:53, 5 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]

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Redirect to The Heaven Sword and Dragon Saber. Redirect as if sources exist they are in Chinese, which I cannot search in, and I assume the nom did not (I did check the zh wiki article and it does not appear to have any reception/analysis and just like ours, is a plot summary + a list of media this character appers in). As such, the article as written fails WP:GNG, and WP:THEREMAYBESOURCES is hardly a valid argument. All things considered, redirecting is the best outcome, unless someone can improve it now. After redirection, this can hibernate in the history until such a time someone is able to restore it, if sources are found. --_{Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus| reply here} 02:22, 6 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]
I did do a google book search in Chinese using Chinese characters [22] (I can't read Chinese either, though you can auto-translate the books titles and snippets using Chrome's page translation feature), and I did find some sources that were analyses of Jin Yong's novels that mentioned the character like [23] and [24], but the actual quotes that were shown as snippets looked like essentially plot summary to me. Hemiauchenia (talk) 02:32, 6 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]
[25] might count as sigcov, as the snippet quote shows a bit of analysis. Hemiauchenia (talk) 02:35, 6 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Strong Keep: Zhou Zhiruo (周芷若) is a lead character in The Heaven Sword and Dragon Saber, one of China's greatest Wuxia novels, prominently featured in several films and TV series and portrayed by many top actresses. The deceased top actress's tombstone is honored with a replica of her most famous character, Zhou Zhiruo; see [26]. Well, should we delete Pokémon just because it is fictional? The character holds greater prominence than Western fictional characters in South Asian regions.

Numerous literary works explore and research the subject, including 周芷若 or 金庸周芷若人物分析, and many scholarly articles analyzing the character can be found in the Chinese Scholar Database. Please conduct research and find sources in the Chinese language before proposing deletion. If you nominate minor characters, I can agree with you, but this is an AfD on a notable female lead.

Really? Wikipedia is not exclusively an English-language source center, and the absence of English sources is not a valid reason for deletion. If you want to make a problem about Chinese fictional characters, please reconsider focusing on minor ones.

Well, here are some significant scholarly articles about her below:

论周芷若的人物形象 ["On the Character Image of Zhou Zhiruo"] from Science and Fortune Magazine (a national second-level academic journal approved by the State Press and Publication Administration), 2018, Issue 19.
山隐与凌迟——金庸小说中人物周芷若形象分析 ["An Analysis of Zhou Zhiruo’s Character in Jin Yong’s Novels"], a research paper from Jiangsu Food Technology College by Zhang Jun.
论《倚天屠龙记》中的周芷若 ["On Zhou Zhiruo in The Heaven Sword and Dragon Saber"] by Meng Qinglian from Zhengzhou Vocational Technology College.
芷若心事无人知 ["Zhiruo's Unspoken Thoughts"] by Yue Wei from Weifang Institute of Innovative Education Policy, Shandong.
《倚天屠龙记》中周芷若的善恶一体形象 ["The Duality of Good and Evil in Zhou Zhiruo’s Character in The Heaven Sword and Dragon Saber"] by Li Gaiting and Lou Bo from Hebei University of Science and Technology.
浅谈《倚天屠龙记》的四位女性 [Discussion on the Four Female Characters in The Heaven Sword and Dragon Saber"] by Han Haiyan from the School of Humanities and Media, Zunyi Normal University.

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Comparing the whole Pokemon franchise to an individual character in a novel is an apples to oranges comparison. However I agree that my searching method wasn't thorough enough and I thank you for doing a more thorough search. I am now Neutral on deletion. Hemiauchenia (talk) 18:12, 6 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]

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Dorian Wallace

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previously deleted article not yet ready for namespace: non-WP:RS and WP:PRIMARY dependent BLP, no WP:SIGCOV by unrelated reliable sources. JFHJr (㊟) 04:38, 12 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Delete: Sources are also not WP:INDEPENDENT- they're all either by the subject, promotion of the subject/subject's work, or not reliable (IMDB). Also fails notability guidelines per WP:MUSICBIO. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Truthnope (talk • contribs) 05:01, 12 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]
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First of all, I would like to mention that I am not very experienced in editing on the English Wikipedia and that I have been more active since June. I mainly contribute to the Serbian Wikipedia, where I am an administrator. On the Serbian Wikipedia, when an article has a "construction" template, no one edits it. So I assumed it was the same here. I haven't finished the article yet and plan to add more references. Here, I mostly write about musicians from jazz and classical music, and for them, there is often a problem with fewer available references. When I started editing here, an experienced user told me that the website allaboutjazz.com is considered a reliable source for musicians of this genre.I found Dorian Wallace while researching the article on John Sanborn (media artist), where his name was in red, and that led me to explore more about him. Could you please tell me which parts of the text are considered promotional? I did use his official website as a source, but I did not copy sentences directly. Dorian Wallace has been mentioned several times in The New York Times, but I haven’t included those references in the article because access requires a paid subscription. I do have a paid subscription—can I include those references in the article? The New York Times is a highly significant media outlet. If you allow me, I will add all the references I can find today and possibly tomorrow. If they are not adequate, you can delete the article. However, I kindly ask for your help in identifying which parts of the article should be removed to avoid promotional content. Thank you in advance for your guidance!--Марко Станојевић (talk) 14:55, 12 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Wakefield, Indiana

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Geolocates to a house/farm at the intersecti0on, where there is nothing else. Searching turned up nothing, not even a county history. I presume it was just a 5th class post office. Mangoe (talk) 04:19, 12 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]

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The only source that we have says that it was a post office. There's nothing else that I can find, except the 1930s histories saying in passing that Wakefield was the original name for Madison, Indiana. (Of course the stuff about a famous dog trainer is unverifiable.) There's no 1899 Wakefield anywhere in Indiana in the 1902 Lippincott's, for example. This is a subject with zero hope of expansion, with about two thirds of the present article being unverifiable or outright misleading. Uncle G (talk) 09:18, 12 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Delete See my comments for Stoutsburg, above. WeirdNAnnoyed (talk) 12:05, 12 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Elliott ALGOL

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Fails WP: GNG. I could not find sufficient sourcing to establish notability. HyperAccelerated (talk) 03:12, 12 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]

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Keep. An internet search for 'Elliot Algol' turns up half a dozen or so references (excluding Wikipedia), including a working version on an Elliott 803 computer at The National Museum of Computing. Murray Langton (talk) 07:48, 12 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]
- Plus, there's an entire 1966 book on it. There's an awful lot that one could write based upon that one as yet unused source alone, and huge scope for expansion here. Uncle G (talk) 09:37, 12 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Do either of you have sources that show the subject meets WP: GNG? I don’t care how many WP: GOOGLEHITS the subject has, and the book seems to be about ALGOL generally, not this specific implementation, for which we already have an article. Saying that there’s an entire book about it is misleading at best and outrageously false at worst. HyperAccelerated (talk) 15:10, 12 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]
- - Wooldridge, Roylance; Ractliffe, John Fuller (1966). An Introduction to ALGOL Programming. Applied mathematics (2nd ed.). London: English Universities Press.

Elliott Algol was the first commercial Algol compiler, which is arguably the forerunner of 'C' and all other block structured programming languages in use today. It's highly significant in computing history. ^[1] Much historical information like this is known to people who were there, but pre-dates the WWW so won't be found in a Google search. Elliott itself is a very significant company in the development of commercial computing.

Fjleonhardt (talk) 13:44, 12 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]

So do you have sources to show that this subject meets WP: GNG or not? No idea why you’re calling it “highly significant” when the source you’ve used to back up your claim doesn’t mention Elliott ALGOL even once. HyperAccelerated (talk) 15:08, 12 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Batcycle

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Pure plot summary and list of apperances; the bit on development is unreferenced and there is no reception, not even any listicles. Fails WP:GNG and my BEFORE failed to find anything that's not a plot summary. Since it's just plot, not seeing what we can do here except merge a few sentences (lead?) to Batman#Technology. (If anyone cares, Batsub was just blodly blanked and redirected looong time ago without any AfD... there was also a Batboat, I think). The concepts are mentioned briefly in the suggested redirect target - that's probably enough for now... _{Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus| reply here} 02:20, 12 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]

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Merge to Batman#Technology. There is at least some commentary in secondary sources on individual incarnations: [27], [28], [29], p. 70, [30], [31]. Daranios (talk) 15:39, 12 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Invisible Plane

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A far cry from Quinjet or Blackbird; anyway, just a minor fictional element of the DC universe, pure plot summary, and list of appearances. Fails WP:GNG. Again, no idea where this could redirect, but I'd support a redirect over hard deletion if anyone has any suggestion. _{Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus| reply here} 02:03, 12 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]

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Supermobile

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Very minor element of the Superman universe; short article, pure plot summary and list of appearances. Fails WP:GNG. No idea where this could redirect, but always open to consider redirection a viable alternative to hard deletion (closer, please note: if anyone suggests a target, consider me to support it). _{Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus| reply here} 02:01, 12 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]

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Features of the Opera web browser

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Weird subartricle with no other similar article for any piece of software (there are only three other Features of... articles on Wikipedia, all plot summaries of comics, also discussed at AfD right now). This is effectively a weird prose WP:CFORK of the main Opera (web browser) article, -history and such. Maybe something here could be merged to the main article, otherwise per WP:ATD-R this could be redirected there, if folks prefer to keep it for its history. Fails WP:GNG otherwise, plus - well, pointless fork. _{Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus| reply here} 01:53, 12 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]

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merge into Opera (web browser) or delete: pointless fork, especially when you consider that at best, 2 of these features are actually notable. all others have been staples of browsers to the point a large part of the article is WP:BLUE^{(i'm aware this isn't what wp:blue is meant for as an essay. you get my point)}. themoon@talk:~$ 08:55, 12 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Delete (don't merge): This article is very WP:PROMO-ish and loaded with plainly non-notable trivia. Many sections are unsourced, and most of the sources that are cited are either non-independent (Opera website/forums) or unreliable UGC and/or promotional. See also WP:NOTGUIDE...merging with the Opera article would add 34kb of cruft to a 62 kb article. We simply don't need a listing of every single feature of a web browser in an encyclopedia, any more than we need a listing of every single feature of a model of car, particularly when those features are quite standard (option of leather or velour upholstery! Seat warmers in LX and EX trim levels! Delco sparkplugs!). WeirdNAnnoyed (talk) 12:18, 12 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]
overall I agree, but there are 1 or 2 notable features that would make sense to merge into the main article like being the first to include webVR support and mouse gestures. i'm fine with delete as well, it's not a huge loss, and the main article can still be edited to include them later. ^{themoon@talk:~$} 12:27, 12 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Delete A purely WP:PROMO content fork of the Opera (web browser) article. No reason to merge or redirect. If any features are notable, they can be added to the main article on their own merit without going through the merge process. Qwaiiplayer (talk) 14:47, 12 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Comment Looks like this became a fork in 2006 and had its own life since then. – The Grid (talk) 18:22, 12 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Delete: Feature lists for any software are inappropriate as a standalone article, no matter how notable the software itself is. At best, it's a pointless fork, at worst, it's unsourced advertising. HyperAccelerated (talk) 19:43, 12 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Delete: Unnecessary fork Schützenpanzer (Talk) 21:14, 12 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Features of Spider-Man media

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Following from Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Features of the Marvel Universe (3rd nomination) and Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Features of the Marvel Cinematic Universe, this is the last of those three fictional universe descriptions in a list form. Fails WP:GNG and WP:NLIST; Wikipedia articles are not places for pure plot summaries, and as a list, this is too broad (list of all fictional in-universe concepts related to Spider-Man). PS. Also, on the off chance this is kept, this would need renaming to the list of something format. _{Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus| reply here} 01:50, 12 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]

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Merge and consolidate into Spider-Man: While this can definitely be improved upon, I am not leaning as strongly on retaining this one as the others because it could be consolidated into the Spider-Man article with considerable details removed (namely the exhaustive list of school students and faculty). Trailblazer101 (talk) 02:28, 12 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]
@Trailblazer101 I am curious what difference do you see here? I struggle to find any myself. (And on a side note, splitting Marvel and Marvel Cinematic stuff is still puzzling to me, as so much of it is redundant - how about at least merging the two other articles into one?) _{Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus| reply here} 05:49, 12 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]
The Marvel Comics and MCU are two separate franchises, so a merge is not a viable option there. I'm not sure how the content from this list could be implemented into the Spidey article or to what extent, though I would imagine a trimmed section for related attributes of the character's features from the schools to his web-shooters, costumes, etc. could suffice. Trailblazer101 (talk) 05:51, 12 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Features of the Marvel Cinematic Universe

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Same problems as with Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Features of the Marvel Universe (3rd nomination) and Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Features of Spider-Man media - this is just a plot summary of that universe in a list form. Fails WP:GNG and WP:NLIST (too broad - we don't allow pure plot summaries of fictional universes in prose, and trying to "cheat" by listifying them is not cute). PS. Also, on the off chance this is kept, this would need renaming to the list of something format. _{Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus| reply here} 01:48, 12 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]

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Strong Keep: Echoing arguments from prior AfDs of the Marvel Universe features list, this is not just plot summaries, but descriptive information of different elements from this franchise (which is notable) and some of their real-world attributes, like how some objects were made. This list was not conceived to avert deleting redirects as you have insinuated, so I would encourage you to WP:Assume good faith in this list's existence; no one is trying to "cheat" or WP:Game the system here. If you think this list needs improvement, then that is something to discuss at the list's talk page, not at AfD, because WP:AFDISNOTCLEANUP. There have already been discussions at the talk about potential ways to improve it, so I encourage you to collaborate there first before bringing up another AfD. Also, a rename or change in scope is not warranted nor what AfD is to be used for. Trailblazer101 (talk) 02:22, 12 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Keep In parallel to my opinion on Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Features of the Marvel Universe (3rd nomination), I believe this list does fulfill WP:NLIST, being the complementary list to the notable Marvel Cinematic Universe. It does fulfill two common functions of lists: navigation for the blue-linked entries, and collection of information on features which are not notable by themselves as in WP:ATD-M. For the latter type of entries, this list needs more commentary based on secondary sources and possibly trimming, but these are matter of normal editing and therefore do not warrant deletion as WP:AFDISNOTCLEANUP. Also see e.g. the entry on Dora Milaje uniform for a positive example of a brief entry that contains plot-summary and real-world information based on secondary sources. So this is already now not pure plot-summary, and noone is trying to "cheat" here. I suggest to those most bothered by the current state to WP:JUSTFIXIT. The Marvel Cinematic Universe is sprawling enough to produce articles like Infinity Stones or The Blip, so that a "features" list makes sense here even though that may not be the case for other fictional universes (also, WP:OTHERSTUFFEXISTS). This is also the corresponding list to Category:Marvel Cinematic Universe features in accordance with WP:CLN. With regard to the name, I don't really see a need to change this to List of features of the Marvel Cinematic Universe in the balance between being concise and precise, but have not strong opinion on this. Daranios (talk) 12:38, 12 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Keep: There are plenty of noteworthy fictional elements from across the MCU that can be included on Wikipedia with appropriate sourcing and real-world discussion, and it makes sense to have a central location for the ones that are not noteworthy enough for their own articles. If there are concerns about the way this is being done, i.e. too much focus on plot details over real-world discussion or concerns that the list is violating WP:ISNOT, then that should be discussed at the article's talk page. Those are not reason enough to delete the whole thing. - adamstom97 (talk) 12:39, 12 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Comment: I think that a good alternative would be to include reception and creator/creative discussions of these locations, objects, and events in the article. It doesn't have to go into super depth, but something like offhand mentions of why someone went a certain way with a given object or event could be good. This could be particularly useful for items or locations that don't have articles but have received some level of criticism/discussion in reliable sources. I'm not particularly interested in doing this myself, but wanted to throw this out there as a possibility. For example, this source discusses the Witches' Road from Agatha All Along. That location doesn't have an article (and probably doesn't need one) so this could be a good place to put that location specific content other than the main page for the series (particularly if focusing specifically on the road could put undue weight in the series article). ReaderofthePack(formerly Tokyogirl79) (｡◕‿◕｡) 14:57, 12 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]
I'm certain that if one looked, they could find coverage of these locations, events, and items in academic/scholarly sources as well. ReaderofthePack(formerly Tokyogirl79) (｡◕‿◕｡) 14:58, 12 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]
My sentiments exactly. I was just about to add that to my !vote above. Daranios (talk) 15:39, 12 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Features of the Marvel Universe

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This is a place where a bunch of non-notable Marvel Universe topics "went to die" :/ Effectively a gigantic list of stuff (places, organizations, objects, and, uh, cosmic forces...), haphazardly collected and organized. There is no need for this effectively list of all in-universe concepts related to Marvel Universe to exist, it's pure WP:FANCRUFT, failing WP:GNG and WP:NLIST (too broad, pointless). This could be at best WP:ATD-Redirected to Marvel Universe, on the off-chance something here would be useful to merge there (but it's just a plot summary of niche concepts, so I doubt its needed). PS. Note we only have four "Features of" articles on Wikipedia. Those include: Features of the Marvel Cinematic Universe (sigh), Features of Spider-Man media and a bit different but still likely needing to go, Features of the Opera web browser; expect to see them all AfD shortly...). PPS. AFDs started. Also, on the off chance this is kept, this would need renaming to the list of something format. _{Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus| reply here} 01:43, 12 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]

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Strong Keep: Nothing has changed since the prior two AfDs. This is just WP:Beating a dead horse and kind of reads like you just don't like it. There is no better place to compile all of these features, though it can definitely be improved upon and consolidated, but that is not what AfD is to be used for, as WP:AFDISNOTCLEANUP. I would suggest taking your suggestions to the list's talk page first before restarting yet another AfD. Trailblazer101 (talk) 02:25, 12 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Keep per Daranios' !vote at the last AfD: This is a WP:CSC #2 spinout of aspects of an unquestionably notable milieu. Jclemens (talk) 04:49, 12 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]
In practice, this is the landing space for a huge number of redirects. Look at what links here for this page. Well over 500 incoming links including double-redirection. If there's not a criteria for "this was a merge target for other articles" then there should be; deleting this would effectively blow away ridiculous amounts of editor's work. Does anyone have a tool to calculate the maximum text size of previous revisions of incoming links? Jclemens (talk) 04:53, 12 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Putting crappy content in one place then blowing it up is hardly uncommon. And if some folks want to waste their time writing and then moving around unsalvageable (unencyclopedic) stuff, well, it's a (reasonably) free (wiki) world... _{Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus| reply here} 05:45, 12 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Strong Delete per WP:CFORK. Marvel Cinematic Universe already exists. Wikipedia is WP:NOTDIR. Don’t just dump random details into a page and call it a Wikipedia article. 104.129.158.228 (talk) 10:36, 12 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]

This article is not a content fork of the MCU, because this article is not about the MCU at all. Your argument would have been more accurate at Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Features of the Marvel Cinematic Universe instead. BOZ (talk) 13:57, 12 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Keep My opinion has not changed as compared to last year: I believe this list does fulfill WP:NLIST, being the complementary list to the notable Marvel Universe. It does fulfill two common functions of lists: navigation for the blue-linked entries, and collection of information on features which are not notable by themselves as in WP:ATD-M. For the latter type of entries, this list needs more commentary based on secondary sources and likely trimming, but these are matter of normal editing and therefore do not warrant deletion as WP:AFDISNOTCLEANUP. So I suggest to those most bothered by the current state to WP:JUSTFIXIT. Marvel is sprawling enough to produce articles like Adamantium or S.H.I.E.L.D., so that a "features" list makes sense here even though that may not be the case for other fictional universes (also, WP:OTHERSTUFFEXISTS). This is also the corresponding list to the fictional subcategories of Category:Marvel Comics (minus the characters) in accordance with WP:CLN. With regard to changing the name, I don't really see a need to change this to List of features of the Marvel Universe in the balance between being concise and precise, but have not strong opinion on this. Daranios (talk) 12:22, 12 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Keep per the arguments above from Trailblazer101, Jclemens and Daranios and the outcomes of the previous AFDs. BOZ (talk) 13:54, 12 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Keep when it's obvious the nominator does not like articles with the naming "Features of..." and even then, that can be dealt with on each independent talk page. This is just bad form. – The Grid (talk) 18:30, 12 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Keep per the claims of @Trailblazer101:, @Jclemens:, @Daranios:, and @BOZ:. While the list appears to be too long and most of the redirects like Hammer Industries and Hidden races come to this page, some of the stuff should be split into separate pages like I once did when it came to the planets in Marvel Comics and how someone once started the List of DC Universe locations to list all the known locations there. --Rtkat3 (talk) 20:12, 12 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Fantasticar

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Far cry from recognition or popculture significance of a Batmobile. Reception is a compilation of listicles and nothing but. All else is plot summary and a list of appearances. Fails WP:GNG and my BEFORE fails to find anything useful. Per WP:ATD-R, can be soft deleted by redirecting to Fantastic Four (comic book) or such. Not sure if the reception is due to merging there, however... (there is also Features of the Marvel Universe#Vehicles but that article has major issues of its own...) _{Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus| reply here} 01:38, 12 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]

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Merge to Fantastic Four (comic book) unless more sources can be found. BOZ (talk) 02:16, 12 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Silvia Dimitrov

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Non-notable figure skater. Fails WP:NSKATE; no international senior-level medals, no national championships wins. On-line searches yield nothing beyond databases, scores, or a passing mention in articles detailing her previous skating partner, who went on to have more success than she did. Bgsu98 (Talk) 00:36, 5 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]

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Susan M. Campbell

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General notability guideline(/WP:BASIC) -- lack of secondary/independent sources + no significant coverage. Doesn't appear to meet notability guidelines for academics either. Comment(s) on talk page show that verification of any information is an ongoing issue. Tagged for peacock, advert, and tone since Feb 2010. I tried to fix the issues prior to filing this AfD. Puppies937 (talk) 15:45, 28 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]

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~~Delete: no significant coverages and faiis WP:GNG.~~ Anktjha (talk) 18:22, 28 January 2025 (UTC) sock Girth Summit _(blether) 12:27, 30 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Delete: Fails WP:GNG. A search brings up no significant coverage in independent reliable sources. All the sources cited in the article are closely related to the subject. ZyphorianNexus ^Talk 21:08, 28 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Comment. I added several reviews of her books to the article, including in academic journals. I think there's a good chance she meets WP:AUTHOR. pburka (talk) 00:54, 30 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]

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Weak keep The four sources added by pburka show just enough coverage in reliable, secondary sources. RebeccaGreen (talk) 12:55, 7 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Delete It is true that there are some book reviews, but I don't find that be sufficient to support an article about an author. There is one rather gossipy review in the SF Examiner; a single paragraph in Publishers' Weekly; a single page in Library journal. The Key West Journal and Communities also provide gossipy reviews, and neither is what I would consider to be a major publication of book reviews. Most of what is in the article about the person is from a non-independent source. Lamona (talk) 03:05, 9 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]

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Not voting directly since I haven't looked for sources myself, but if what we have in the article is all we've got, I'd say this isn't a pass of WP:GNG or WP:NAUTHOR. -- asilvering (talk) 01:59, 12 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Delete. GNG dictates widespread coverage in independent sources. Doing a cursory search of the sources leads to Lamona's conclusion. There are references, but, for the most part, they are minor and few enough as to not satisfy the widespread coverage usually required. One single paragraph and one single page isn't enough to satisfy notability. GuardianH 03:35, 12 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Delete. Does not pass WP:AUTHOR. The third guideline says that the author must have "created or played a major role in co-creating a significant or well-known work or collective body of work" and said work has been the subject of multiple independent reviews. Having reviews alone is not sufficient. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Truthnope (talk • contribs) 05:25, 12 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Zulkarnain Saer Khan

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The individual Zulkarnain Saer Khan partook in the orchestration of a dossier denominated All the Prime Minister's Men. Consequent to the helping of this dossier, he was the recipient of a commendation entitled the Global Shining Light Awards. The Global Shining Light Awards is bereft of eminence or substantial prestige in any capacity. The mere attainment of the Global Shining Light Awards does not fullfill the criteria of notability (person), as the dossier All the Prime Minister's Men itself fails to consummately fulfill the stringent prerequisites of notability.

Furthermore, the article is an absolute dearth of elucidation absent his academic credentials. Additionally, the article harbors superfluous and extraneous verbiage, including allusions to assailments perpetrated against his brother. Hydronex (talk) 20:21, 4 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]

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Keep Just checked all the references and they seem above board. Meets point 3 of WP:NJOURNALIST, played a major role in creating a well known work (All the Prime Minister's Men). His career has also received WP:SIGCOV. Orange sticker (talk) 11:42, 6 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Point three of Wikipedia:Notability_(people)#Creative_professionals states:

"The person has created or played a major role in co-creating a significant or well-known work or collective body of work. In addition, such work must have been the primary subject of multiple independent periodical articles or reviews."

But no other work by the individual in the article can be found apart from All the Prime Minister's Men, and All the Prime Minister's Men is neither a significant nor a well-known work. This means the individual does not fulfill point three of Wikipedia:Notability_(people)#Creative_professionals. Hydronex (talk) 17:42, 6 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Comment: All the Prime Minister's Men is definitely a well-known work. It got wide coverage in Bangladeshi and some international media apart from Al Jazeera Media.[32][33][34][35][36] [37] Al Jazeera also won the top prize for "Best Human Rights Journalism" (investigation category) in the 8th annual Amnesty Media award for 'All the Prime Minister's Men'.[38] Niasoh ❯❯❯ Wanna chat? 09:17, 8 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Keep Notable investigative journalist in Bangladesh. Niasoh ❯❯❯ Wanna chat? 08:54, 8 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Keep - Notable journalist in Bangladesh. He is widely recognized for impactful investigative work with Al Jazeera and OCCRP. His contributions, media coverage, and awards meet Wikipedia’s notability criteria WP:NJOURNALIST.

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@Koshuri Sultan, He hasn’t asked for any support in his favour. He has just asked me to take a look. Maybe because this article is related to Bangladesh. [39] — Cerium4B —Talk? • 14:10, 8 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Delete: It is the responsibility of those who vote keep to provide a solid argument. Nothing can be gained from canvassed or paid votes. The article is highly promotional and lacks neutral tone. It overemphasizes achievements while downplaying controversies, making it more like a PR piece than an encyclopedic entry. The subject fails WP:NBLP, as most coverage comes from sympathetic or affiliated sources rather than independent, in-depth analysis. NXcrypto Message 04:34, 9 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]
- Thank you Hrksmp for removing your Keep. NXcrypto Message 14:42, 9 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]

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Man Bites Dog (company)

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Fails WP:CORP. 5 of the 6 sources merely confirm winning non-notable awards. LibStar (talk) 00:38, 12 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]

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Eason Chan's FEAR and DREAMS World Tour

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Article about a concert tour, not properly referenced as passing WP:NTOUR. As always, concert tours are not automatically entitled to their own Wikipedia articles just because they happened -- in the exact words of NTOUR, what is required is that the sources "show notability in terms of artistic approach, financial success, relationship to audience, or other such terms", while "sources that merely establish that a tour happened are not sufficient to demonstrate notability."
But as usual for bad articles about concert tours, this is just "tour happened, so here are the set list and the venues, the end", with absolutely none of the content about any noteworthy cultural, creative or social context that NTOUR requires, and it's "referenced" entirely to a single Instagram post rather than any GNG-worthy reliable sourcing. Bearcat (talk) 15:39, 4 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]

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Keep: I doubt whether a BEFORE was actually conducted prior to this nomination, as the corresponding article on zhwiki [zh] already has 19 sources, all except the first and last of which are news articles from reputable media like Ming Pao[40], Hong Kong Economic Times[41], HK01[42], Oriental Daily News[43], Sing Tao Daily[44], and Ta Kung Pao[45], indicating that there are plenty of accessible sources available. From a quick Google search, I found many sources not only from Hong Kong, but also from Taiwan[46][47][48], China[49][50][51] Singapore[52][53][54], Malaysia[55][56][57], and Thailand[58]. There are also concert reviews, such as from The Straits Times[59] and HK01[60]. I agree with the nom that the current article is in poor shape, containing no sources aside from an Instagram post and consisting solely of a rundown and tour dates. However, AFD is not cleanup. The nom's concerns should be addressed by adding a {{more citations needed}} template instead of directly sending it to AFD. (especially considering that the article was created yesterday by a relatively new editor, there is a greater chance that the page creator is unfamiliar with Wikipedia's citation policies rather than the subject being non-notable.) —Prince of Erebor（The Book of Mazarbul） 16:16, 4 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Delete Not appreciating the attack here against Bearcat (who is one of our most prolific AfD nominators and can do BEFORE in their sleep, literally), and there's just one source in this article, followed by a no context list of venues and an untranslated track list. This is a very, very poor article titled completely wrong and promotional, and Eason Chan#Tours is also very poorly written. At the very minimum we need a proper translation of the song list and many more sources. I also don't think this is the article creator's first rodeo as they know at the very least how to create bulleted lists and grids, so the 'first article give them a chance' argument doesn't hold water for me. Nate • (chatter) 18:09, 4 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]
- Oh, I appreciate Bearcat's hard work at AFD as well, and I certainly did not intend to attack him. However, I think it is quite obvious that a BEFORE is indeed missing prior to this discussion, especially considering there are literally 17 sources sitting in the Chinese version of the article. A quick search I did also revealed numerous sources in both Chinese and English, and I have only listed a couple of the strongest ones (like concert reviews and foreign media coverage) above, which is already more than enough for a GNG pass. Nate, deletion is not cleanup, and AFD has nothing to do with incorrect title format and poor article quality. We are discussing notability here, and sources not yet included in an article should also be considered. Please review the sources I provided here or on zhwiki before you !vote delete, and it would be even better if you could also do a cursory search, given the absence of a BEFORE in this discussion (especially since I literally found several dozen of them during my search). —Prince of Erebor（The Book of Mazarbul） 18:35, 4 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]
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Keep It is my fault that the initial article was not well presented. I've been enhancing the article's quality and adding more sources and citations to demonstrate that the FEAR and DREAMS World Tour deserves its own article. Woodikiw (talk) 06:55, 6 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]

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Peter Asare Nyarko

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No evidence of ntability for this individual. No independednt sources except the fact of his winning a young entrepreneurs award, which is not in itself notable. Searches show a wealth of social media posts and mentions , but nothing that confirms any notability. Fails WP:GNG Velella ^{Velella Talk} 00:34, 12 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]

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Moneyview

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Reviewed all sources and what I found are press releases, primary sources and passing mentions of the company. As of the time of nomination, sources number one to 8 are mostly press releases, and from number 9 to 19 are mostly primary sources. The few ones that look reliable are not enough to meet WP:GNG or WP:NBASIC. Mekomo (talk) 08:19, 28 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]

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Delete: Sources are full of PR and sponsored articles WP:NEWSORGINDIA. Fails GNG and NCORP. GrabUp - Talk 08:41, 28 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Delete: Fails WP:NCORP and WP:CORPDEPTH. Indian media sources should be viewed carefully, as they often present press releases as news WP:RSNOI, WP:ROUTINE. TC-BT-1C-SI (talk) 09:49, 28 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Strong Keep: While the article doesn't have good references, the company definitely satisfies WP:CORP. There are a lot more recent articles about the company like [61], [62] and [63]. This company is one of a handful of companies to achieve Unicorn status in India in 2024, and, as a result, has definitely received significant coverage in reputed independent newspapers. It has recently acquired another company, which has led to further coverage on it. It has articles specifically written about it from reputed agencies, even before its Unicorn status, which satisfy WP:CORPDEPTH and WP:ORGIND. These include The Hindu, CNBC, Economic Times, and Money Control. There are also articles talking about the company on Indian Express, Inc42, Zee Business, Deccan Chronicle, and others; and, this company has one of India's most popular celebrity actors as a brand ambassador. Shashwat986 → talk 08:46, 2 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]
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Keep: I reviewed all the sources and also found that many links are PR-type links, as pointed out by Mekomo. But it looks like this company recently published a lot of news in notable sources, which are reliable and sufficient to meet the WP:NBASIC and WP:ORGIND criteria as mentioned by Shashwat986. The most recent coverage includes its transition to Unicorn status in 2024, FY24 revenue, and the acquisition of the fintech startup Jify, all reported by reputable independent newschannels. Medhagoswami55 → talk 15:19, 3 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Please note that while I am associated with Moneyview, these edits are made in a personal capacity based on my knowledge of the company. They are not influenced by my role at Moneyview. I am committed to maintaining transparency and upholding the spirit of Wikipedia. Medhagoswami55 (talk) 09:49, 3 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Delete non-notable company using PR sources to get their article here. Many of the listed sources are copycat of one another. Patre23 (talk) 05:20, 4 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]

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Draftify to include sources found by Shashwat986. There's enough WP:SIGCOV there to satisfy WP:CORP and WP:ORGIND.--DesiMoore (talk) 16:11, 4 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Draftify: The sources don’t meet notability guidelines, but recent coverage does. I’ll make a few changes when I get time. NARESHPERRY → talk 23:29, 8 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]

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Courtney Savino

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Subject does not meet ANYBIO as far as I can tell. From a music standpoint, subject's songs have not been featured in any SIGCOV I can find. There is also routine coverage of middle school and high school theater performances from over a decade ago, but I don't see it rising to level of notability. InsomniaOpossum (talk) 23:47, 11 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]

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Delete: Fails guidelines set by WP:SINGER. Sources addressing music are just links to spotify/youtube/apple music. Sources addressing school musical career are just local interest pieces. The source "'Wonka' at the Warner in Torrington" doesn't seem to mention Savino. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Truthnope (talk • contribs) 04:43, 12 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]
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Delete per User:Truthnope. Also per WP:MILL and per the lack of any encyclopedic content. -- Ssilvers (talk) 05:51, 12 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Delete Does not meet WP:SINGER or WP:ANYBIO. The only coverage I can find is what's already in the article - a local newspaper reporting that the subject, as a 13 year old, would appear in a school performance. No coverage of her songs or singing. RebeccaGreen (talk) 10:17, 12 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Premer Somadhi

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Sources are unreliable, and the reviews added to the reception section are the same reviews published twice by both websites, failing NFILM. Additionally, I doubt their reliability. The source BMDB is entirely unreliable as it is a blog website. GrabUp - Talk 08:29, 29 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]

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Keep: was remade a year later. Notable cast, notable writer. At the very very least a redirect (writer, list of Bangladeshi films of 1996, even, remake) should be considered and might have been discussed before initiating an Afd: because it certainly can be improved but I am extremely opposed to the deletion of this page. Anyway, this meets WP:NFIC: important in the career of a notable (film) person (Bapparaj), and that's enough to keep a page. -Mushy Yank. 11:35, 29 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Keep it because, recently, a video clip "Chacha, Bari Ghor Eto Shajano Keno? Ar Hena Kothay?" (translate:Uncle, why the house so decorated? and where's Hena?" And and the title song of this film "Premer Somadhi Venge" are widely viral on social media. The film also remade in India's Bengali language film industry Tollywood in 1997 as Bakul Priya. Recently, i edited in this article and removed the unreliable sources. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Meghna Jamila (talk • contribs) 17:27, 1 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]

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